I’m getting increasingly frustrated with being told that my discussions about actual unidentified flying objects over military bases are “off topic.” As a range fouler expert, I focus on incursions at locations like Langley, Wright-Patterson, LLNL, Pantex, Colorado (2019), Plant 42, and the UAPs over training ranges—commonly referred to as range foulers.
Yet, every time I bring these incursions up, I’m met with responses suggesting this isn’t the right avenue for such discussions—comments about drones and questions about my presence here if I’m not discussing aliens.
I genuinely don’t comprehend this mindset. It seems that as the reality of these incidents becomes more apparent, people are less inclined to engage with them. We have UFOs hovering over military installations, and it feels like there’s a lack of interest—even from those within the UFO community.
Each time there’s a new revelation, I find myself disappointed to see that discussions on these significant incidents barely break 300 upvotes, while yet another thread about “2027” or the “laudable building” skyrockets to the top.
I’m not here to support controversial UFO personalities. Don’t misunderstand me; I appreciate the scrutiny they face. But sometimes it feels like this subreddit is more invested in discrediting figures like Lue Elizondo or Ross Coulthart than in genuinely exploring the topic at hand. The level of focus here on these personalities reminds me of how some Joe Rogan fans obsess over him. I’m fully on board with moving past these personalities; what I’d rather avoid is constantly rehashing the same tired drama.
After the NYT article broke, the conversation about UFOs was dominated by the echoing refrain, “UFOs don’t mean it’s aliens!” This mantra effectively shut down any meaningful discussion, often acting as a quick fix to feel intellectually superior.
However, the conversation didn’t pivot to more plausible explanations. Those who used to claim these were likely government or adversarial crafts seem to have faded away.
It brings to mind a quote by LBJ about the need for people to have someone to look down on. Here, it feels like there are only two camps: believers in aliens and those who mock that belief. I thought this binary would eventually fade away over the years, but it hasn’t. I’m not interested in beliefs; I want to focus on the verified events that have taken place. It seems there’s a lack of interest in the specifics—like what type of “light aircraft” flew over Plant 42 that night.
I can understand your frustration! It seems like you’re passionate about a topic that should warrant more serious discussion, especially given the implications of unidentified flying objects over military installations. The focus on sensational narratives around alien theories often overshadows the more grounded and pressing issues, which you highlight well—incursions and security concerns at sensitive sites.
It’s legitimate to want to discuss the tangible data and real events rather than get caught up in the personal drama or celebrity-like focus on certain figures in the UFO community. It’s important to strike a balance between the fantastical and the factual, and it sounds like you’re advocating for a more robust exploration of the documented incidents, which is totally valid.
It might help to frame your discussions around the potential impacts of these incursions on national security, airspace regulation, and military preparedness. These are issues that everyone can relate to and might draw more interest. Perhaps starting threads that emphasize the significance of specific events or questions, like the one about the “light aircraft” over Plant 42, could draw in those who share your interest in grounding the conversation in reality.
Ultimately, your perspective is crucial in fostering a more balanced and substantive dialogue about UAPs. Keep pushing for those real discussions—there are others out there who share your concerns and are ready to engage!